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Post by kondzio on Jun 25, 2016 11:26:12 GMT
agree with You, Ollythe funny fact is that at the beginning of the week I had to pay in pounds and now it lost so much value -.-
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Post by Olly on Jun 25, 2016 11:35:38 GMT
Ah yeah, unlucky. I have friends going to Portugal in summer, fortunately they bought their Euros months ago.
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Post by N.U. on Jun 26, 2016 2:22:25 GMT
This, too, shall pass. Let the investors have their temper tantrum; it's short term market manipulation.
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Post by Dreadlocktruth on Jun 26, 2016 8:28:34 GMT
'Kin hell, now Labour are imploding.... half the shadow cabinet expected to resign after Benn sacked.
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Post by james on Jun 26, 2016 22:42:52 GMT
I really have to switch off from the news I seem to be hooked on. It's getting me down. I felt this sinking feeling at the last election that took ages to step away from, and yes I can see both sides of the argument with the EU I could have voted the other way but for me I think logic made me make the right vote amongst all my thoughts. And I can't shift this feeling of horror I have from what is now happening. So I need a mini break from torturing myself with the rolling news.
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Post by Dreadlocktruth on Jun 26, 2016 23:09:04 GMT
I know what you mean, James. I'm certainly getting out of it but it's been really difficult to motivate myself since Friday morning to even leave the house, let alone get anything done.
Can you imagine what a sad state of affairs it's going to be if, a few years down the line, the UK is just England and Wales? Not to mention the issue of legitimized racism... I'm sure it's isolated cases and nothing we're likely to see widespread but there are some horrific things happening over the last 48 hours with white nationalists confronting foreign residents.
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Post by james on Jun 26, 2016 23:14:39 GMT
Oh the horror. (´ヘ`()
I could say a lot more, but it's just preaching and we all know the same things. I will just say that they are giving far to much of a political bench to UKIP even if folk voted out, question time etc and well you pick your leave spokesperson. Which one do you like the best? Oh woes... ¯\(°_o)/¯
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Post by Dreadlocktruth on Jun 27, 2016 8:46:51 GMT
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Post by N.U. on Jun 27, 2016 22:51:37 GMT
I'm pro-Independence. In the case of GBR, it means that (eventually depending on when/if Article 50 gets enacted) bad trade deals are able to be acted upon.
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Post by banjo on Jun 28, 2016 0:39:25 GMT
The point people make about "the old deciding for the young" gets on my nerves a bit. One of the main arguments against even having this referendum was that it had been decided by a previous generation (who were "young people" then and are "old people" now) in 1973, and as such we just have to live with that, forever. I think it is a bit rich for the same news organisations and campaigners (and voters) to make the opposite argument now. It is also worth noting that one of the most basic principles of our parliamentary system is that no parliament can bind another. Racist incidents linked to the outcome. Those racists have always been there, they're always going to be there. They are there in Germany and France, Spain, NL, Poland and Czech rep too. If there were people on Mars, some of those fuckers would be racist as well. It is not a uniquely British thing. They feel emboldened and have got a bit gobby, they'll soon simmer down again when a few of them have been locked up for crossing the line, or lost their jobs due to hateful twitter rants. Obviously I am not happy with people being abused and assaulted in the meantime and I hope the hammer of the law comes down very hard on people who behave violently or incite violence. There has been so much dishonesty in all this. Not just the straight up lies coming from on high (from both sides, though admittedly leave has some real stonkers) but a staggering level of intellectual dishonesty from media and voters as well. Cherry picking of data (from both sides) where it supports a position, and glossing over or just ignoring the parts where it does not. Breaking down and presenting complex issues (immigration for example) as an over simplified binary choice ((zero immigration/all the immigration, both ends of that continuum are stupid and dangerous, for different reasons)). None of this is helpful. And now I find myself in the position of having to defend Nigel Farage in the name of honesty. Bloviating wanker he may be, but he never promised £350,000,000 for the NHS, was not part of the official leave campaign (which didn't really promise or pledge either) and had nothing to do with that bus or the statement plastered on the side of it. He has said (many times) in the past that we "send enough money to Brussels to build a hospital a week", which I'm sure any fair minded person will agree is not a promise or a pledge of any kind. It is a statement of fact (a dubious fact in light of the rebate and EU grants, but either way it is not a pledge). Dishonesty and manipulation of data in the press. Yesterday the Guardian published a piece which said that, when asked, 36% of directors of UK businesses said they would reduce their investment plans due to the vote for Brexit. It said 9% said they would be increasing investment. When it came to the no change in investment question, the article said "just under half". Why does it give the 36% number and the 9% number but not the other number? What is just under half? 49.99999%, 38% 46%? It presents this information in a manipulative manner in an attempt to lead the reader to an erroneous conclusion, that being, most businesses will be cutting investment when the truth of the matter is, on those figures a majority of British business will either be making no change to or will be increasing their investment. I am aware that this is from after the referendum, I'm just using it as a fresh example of the sort of thing that has been going on throughout the campaign. I posted it ^ so you don't have to
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Post by N.U. on Jun 28, 2016 6:41:04 GMT
"No change" is neither sensational nor newsworthy, that's why, Darren.
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Post by Dreadlocktruth on Jun 28, 2016 7:27:40 GMT
As always, I respect your views Darren. And now I find myself in the position of having to defend Nigel Farage in the name of honesty. Bloviating wanker he may be, but he never promised £350,000,000 for the NHS, was not part of the official leave campaign (which didn't really promise or pledge either) While I agree that Farage is not accountable for the campaign promises of Leave (it's a case of the deserving receiving a backlash for the "crime" they didn't actually commit), they did make more specific claims than what was on the side of that bus. The graphic behind Boris, below, is still on their media/campaign materials page and has (obviously) been used as a part of their appearances. It's a claim that was refuted weeks before the referendum and I'm sure any voter (such as yourself) who uses their brain could figure out that it was misleading, but there was certainly a number of people who would have been swayed solely on that basis. Racist incidents linked to the outcome. Those racists have always been there, they're always going to be there. They are there in Germany and France, Spain, NL, Poland and Czech rep too. If there were people on Mars, some of those fuckers would be racist as well. It is not a uniquely British thing. They feel emboldened and have got a bit gobby, they'll soon simmer down again when a few of them have been locked up for crossing the line, or lost their jobs due to hateful twitter rants. Obviously I am not happy with people being abused and assaulted in the meantime and I hope the hammer of the law comes down very hard on people who behave violently or incite violence. I don't really have anything to add to this because you more or less land on my viewpoint at the end, but I'm not convinced that the balance of society between humanitarianism and overt racism will restore to it's previous levels anytime soon, especially in places where Leave took a huge win. As I said on FB, you only have to watch interviews with the type of people whose main voting objective was to get rid of foreigners (and I'm not stereotyping, I mean people who actually give that answer) to see how utterly ecstatic they are that their hateful beliefs have been legitimized. I'm positive that the reports of hate crimes/protests are being magnified (just in that the counter-protests etc aren't reported at the same rate) but a lot of the hatred that's found its way to the surface of certain parts of our society is not going to be just put back in the box.
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Post by banjo on Jun 28, 2016 12:52:20 GMT
Fair points, Paul.
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Post by N.U. on Jun 28, 2016 16:26:20 GMT
Look at the turnaround in global markets... One might think the sell-off and downgrade was planned...
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Post by N.U. on Jun 28, 2016 18:10:40 GMT
Look at the turnaround in global markets... One might think the sell-off and downgrade was planned... This insences me because we have the exact same "uncertainty" that the big investment houses used to drop the global markets on Friday and Monday, yet today These same folks are driving those same markets up. The $/£ rate is up to $1.33/£ from a 31 year low of $1.20/£ just yesterday (a 10.8% gain in strength). Brexit is being used as cover for the investor knob-jockeys to get out of their over-leveraged positions (IOW purchasing on margin).
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