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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 23:03:55 GMT
Hi all. Sorry to ask such a basic question. I am hearing some conflicting answers regarding beginning the dreading process with twist and rip. Have the folks here who have used that method found that the 'braided' texture does indeed go away over time?
And have you seen a difference in more mature dreads started with TnR vs. backcombing?
Thanks.
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Post by Dreadlocktruth on May 27, 2016 23:27:32 GMT
All I can say is that I have dreads that were started by twist and rip and dreads started by backcombing and there's no difference in texture, although the TNR dreads are tighter.
I guess it depends how you're doing it, but if you're just grabbing random bits of hair, twisting and then 'ripping' them down to the scalp, then it should really have too much of a "braided" look due to that randomness.
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Post by jxbx on May 28, 2016 0:18:58 GMT
If you have a braided texture/look with T&R, maybe you're grabbing too large of a chunk. When I T&R it is more like weaving individuals hairs inside and out. Between my first natural set and my subsequent T&R'd sets, I don't recall a discernible difference. Good question!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 0:47:07 GMT
This is all pretty theoretical for me at this point, so i definitely defer to you guys who have way more practical knowledge about the process. I'm still considering how I want to begin, so I'm reading a lot, maybe too much! . The 'braided' issue is kind of a thing if you Google it. I've seen a difference in freshly backcombed dreads vs. TnR, but most people say as the dreads loosen and tighten the texture goes away, with no discernable difference upon maturation. But, the early stages are enough of an issue for some people that Lazydreads addresses it in a few QnA's. I'm not overly concerned about it, just one of those issues that might guide me as to the method I use to begin.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 1:08:38 GMT
yay for theories and thinking! (sorry I am glad others with more experience commented first. but I...well, I have 5 months of wild experience and I also watch LD's videos (a few, not as many of MJs) I am thinking of one member on here in particular, not sure if she'd mind me sharing...but Cammy. I picture her dreads. She did T&R. and I think they look quite different now. But I recall a very braided effect at the beginning. I know Brokenski did this too, but not sure hers looked so very braided. It really does depend on a lot of factors...and even then, can't always predict it. I myself have at least one (maybe two...maybe all of my first set (6, now 7) as T&R...why am I so confused???) Well, the one that i know for sure was really twisted tight to my scalp (the one now split in two) while the others grew out "normal". That was the major difference. I heavily crocheted all of them though, so maybe that's why I am confused. That being said, MY POINT IS...mine never really looked braided??? Mine kinda always looked dreadlike??? (eh, no...took about 2months...Peter and Signature have the instant looking dreads) My second set (ok, i still have the first...partial dreadhead here...if you remember) second is pure neglect. Didn't really have the tools for proper backcombing, but I guess I did a little of this...mostly falls out anyway. From my experience, I would... nope! not going to recommend because 5months is still too early. I would say for sure that my "t&r"/crochet are much less messy, but IMO, I am liking the neglect better...so far. Just because I am enjoying watching the process...as slooooow as it seems. But also, might not have as much noticeable shrinkage this way? ah...too soon to say. Yeah, natural...you will have to probably wait like 8 years before you get what you want...can I just...like have LD's hair already! (Senpai!) haha j/p That's like mad respect there for those patient ones (MJ too!) You could always do partials like me! haha I know this is more typical of girls but...hey, be a rebel! idk
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 1:15:30 GMT
If you have a braided texture/look with T&R, maybe you're grabbing too large of a chunk. When I T&R it is more like weaving individuals hairs inside and out. Between my first natural set and my subsequent T&R'd sets, I don't recall a discernible difference. Good question! not to contradict you...but i had some "chunkie monkeys" and they IMO did not look braided. but yes, this is my perspective that T&R don't really look like braids because you are really just rubbing the hair on itself. twisting just to round it out maybe?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 1:48:16 GMT
Thank you all for your replies so far.
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Post by olivebreath on May 28, 2016 14:08:38 GMT
With mine..i have a few that really have the "braided" look and it worried me so much initially. But now as they are maturing... You can see that its all generally the same. I always would remind myself that the way you get them started is just mainly footwork for where you want sections. In time they will sort themselves out.
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Post by jxbx on May 28, 2016 16:52:54 GMT
If you have a braided texture/look with T&R, maybe you're grabbing too large of a chunk. When I T&R it is more like weaving individuals hairs inside and out. Between my first natural set and my subsequent T&R'd sets, I don't recall a discernible difference. Good question! not to contradict you...but i had some "chunkie monkeys" and they IMO did not look braided. but yes, this is my perspective that T&R don't really look like braids because you are really just rubbing the hair on itself. twisting just to round it out maybe? No contradiction at all.
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Post by cammym on May 30, 2016 4:42:25 GMT
yay for theories and thinking! (sorry I am glad others with more experience commented first. but I...well, I have 5 months of wild experience and I also watch LD's videos (a few, not as many of MJs) I am thinking of one member on here in particular, not sure if she'd mind me sharing...but Cammy. I picture her dreads. She did T&R. and I think they look quite different now. But I recall a very braided effect at the beginning. I know Brokenski did this too, but not sure hers looked so very braided. It really does depend on a lot of factors...and even then, can't always predict it. I myself have at least one (maybe two...maybe all of my first set (6, now 7) as T&R...why am I so confused???) Well, the one that i know for sure was really twisted tight to my scalp (the one now split in two) while the others grew out "normal". That was the major difference. I heavily crocheted all of them though, so maybe that's why I am confused. That being said, MY POINT IS...mine never really looked braided??? Mine kinda always looked dreadlike??? (eh, no...took about 2months...Peter and Signature have the instant looking dreads) My second set (ok, i still have the first...partial dreadhead here...if you remember) second is pure neglect. Didn't really have the tools for proper backcombing, but I guess I did a little of this...mostly falls out anyway. From my experience, I would... nope! not going to recommend because 5months is still too early. I would say for sure that my "t&r"/crochet are much less messy, but IMO, I am liking the neglect better...so far. Just because I am enjoying watching the process...as slooooow as it seems. But also, might not have as much noticeable shrinkage this way? ah...too soon to say. Yeah, natural...you will have to probably wait like 8 years before you get what you want...can I just...like have LD's hair already! (Senpai!) haha j/p That's like mad respect there for those patient ones (MJ too!) You could always do partials like me! haha I know this is more typical of girls but...hey, be a rebel! idk I don't mind at all Yes, mine did have a very braided look for a while, and some of the top ones still do, but it's slowly losing the braided texture. In hindsight, I don't think I did a very good job at the twist and rip, I'm sure if it was done better it wouldn't have looked so braided. I seem to notice that twist and rip dreads form in more of a loopy way over time than backcombed ones do, and end up looking a bit more freeform. Just an observation that probably doesn't always hold true though!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 15:43:56 GMT
cammym -- could you elaborate on how you would tnr differently? Like, did you feel like you rushed or didn't do them tight enough, too tight, etc? I did a test baby dread in my 6.5 inch very fine hair a week ago and it has held well, even through two washings. I expected it to fall out since my hair is shorter than what is often recommended for this method. I don't mind the slightly braided texture, especially if it ends up doing what you said, looking a bit more freeform, as I prefer that look.
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Post by willowbranches on May 30, 2016 17:23:30 GMT
I seem to notice that twist and rip dreads form in more of a loopy way over time than backcombed ones do, and end up looking a bit more freeform. Just an observation that probably doesn't always hold true though! I also feel like this is the case, at least for my t&r dreads, and for whatever relevance it may have I am happy to share my experience. dread stats in brief start length: ~36-39" texture: medium/coarse mix, finer at temples and back hairline density: thick method: t&r *only 1/2 way down the length, freeform temples size: range 5-10 mm diameter starting quantity: 130+ age: 21 months Regarding braided look: So, I did my t&r a bit on the ocd side--I made them very tight and with short, quick twists and pulls. This resulted in a very woven look that to me seemed very dreadlike and only resembled braids in those spots I had allowed it to be looser or had twisted a lot before a pull (which tended to be the bottom portion of the t&r length), but at a distance they were often mistaken for braids by others. Throughout the movement stages my dreadlings only came undone to the point at which the more woven texture stopped, from there up to the root it remained as installed. The loose bottom 2/3 went through an incredibly loopy period before coming out the other side as splat mats which have at this point mostly been palmrolled to cylindricality and are much thicker than the woven length. I've come to think of them as bulbs hanging from stalks, and overall I lost a good 65-75% of my length Regarding t&r resembling freeform more than backcombing: Interestingly, while I feared for a long time that the tightly stick-straight woven upper length that never fell out would stay exactly that way forever, resulting in possibly much thinner portions than those which would form from additional growth and definitely much thinner than the bulbous ends... that length is slowly but surely twisting and folding up on itself, mostly from the bulb up but at other points as well which I theorize is a function of tightness--i.e. looser spots move more--so it's thickening and becoming very gnarly. I'm not sure whether backcomb would really go through a phase like this unless it was also done too tightly to come undone. Incidentally, despite the tightness of the weave, all the dreadlings at my temples gradually fell completely out and I allowed them to go freeform. They are still significantly behind the rest, but have recently got to the point where I no longer worry they'll try to become a single massive dread, and aside from lacking the woven length they are processing the same as the loose lengths the rest had. Ultimately, there remains no appearance of braids anywhere. All that is a very long-winded way of saying: --avoid braided look with really tight t&r but likely impede movement-loopage phase --braided-look t&r probably won't hold well anyway but probably facilitates movement-loopage phase --fine hair t&r may fall out entirely regardless of how tightly you do it Final take-away: Maybe none of it matters a damn bit. I think no matter what method, people seem to experience the same overall process [dreads might look like dreads-->dreads don't look like dreads-->dreads look messy-->dreads look weird-->dreads look more like dreads but still messy and weird-->dreads look more like dreads but still weird-->dreads look more like dreads-->dreads look like dreads]. Your hair will just do it however it damn well pleases, either in conjunction with or in spite of how you try to help it
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Post by cammym on May 30, 2016 22:05:57 GMT
cammym -- could you elaborate on how you would tnr differently? Like, did you feel like you rushed or didn't do them tight enough, too tight, etc? I did a test baby dread in my 6.5 inch very fine hair a week ago and it has held well, even through two washings. I expected it to fall out since my hair is shorter than what is often recommended for this method. I don't mind the slightly braided texture, especially if it ends up doing what you said, looking a bit more freeform, as I prefer that look. I definitely rushed them, and I think I kind of kept grabbing the same two halves of sectioned hair, while twisting in between, if that makes sense. In hindsight, I'd do more rip and less twist it didn't have much shrinkage though!
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Post by Ziggy on Jun 3, 2016 0:34:27 GMT
Some of my t&r dreads had a very, very braided look in the first year. They're six years now, and there's no sign of it left, hasn't been for years.
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Post by lipstic on Jun 9, 2016 18:45:36 GMT
I've done both now, the first time around I did the backcombing method, texture wise there was not much difference but I gained the nick name 'palm tree' they were so fluffy and tight they would stand up on their own www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=27789435493&set=t.846500493&type=3&theaterThis time around I did TNR, they were much more relaxed right away. I don't have any pictures from when I first started because I was vain. So I only have pictures after I started adding wool to my hair. www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156634948795494&set=pcb.10156634949175494&type=3&theaterI will take a pick after my next wash from a better angle. btw on FB these will only be public for a few days, I can't figure out a way to post pictures on here without using another site to host the pic... PM me if you have a solution or suggestion for this.
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